And the Hi, I'm Bill Crystal. Welcome to Conversations. I'm very pleased to have as my guest today. My friend

Rich Lowry, the editor of National Review for what 17, 18 years.

It's added up.

Yeah, right.

It's aged you.

And then the weekly standard for 20 years is age.

Age me more though.

You seem to be perpetually youthful, youthful, so that's good.

And you're more youthful today, right, after last.

We're talking just to be clear.

We're talking Wednesday.

Tuesday afternoon, it's less than 24 hours after Iowa.

Have we dodged the bullet? It's a major relief and the polls were just

wrong and we were told the Des Moines Register polls, the gold standard at least always

gets the order right and it was wrong. As I told you before we

started taping I was out in Iowa last week and when I was there Friday evening I was

in a hotel in Des Moines where there are a lot of ordinary islands in the lobby and every single one I met said that they were voting for Marco Rubio.

So I thought, you know, this was great repertorial footwork on my part and I've discovered this

Rubio surge and then the one registered poll came out and showed no surge whatsoever.

So I kind of discounted it and was preparing for the worst

in Iowa. I do think people are premature in writing Donald Trump's

obituary. He was never a natural fit for Iowa even though it was embarrassing loss for him and he could have slipped into third if it had been held a day later.

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