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Welcome to the Eric Mataxis show you know sometimes Eric pretends to be interested in his guess but he's really just doing a crossword puzzle and rolling his eyes to what they say he told me never to say that ever.

I'm in a mistake. Oh I'm human in my way only I'm not in all your host Eric Mataxis. Hey folks I would love to continue the conversation with Rich Lowry and guess what we locked the doors and Rich is still here Rich.

You were just making such an important point that before the 1776 declaration of independence 140 years earlier we have a situation in this country just go back to that and talk about how our ideas about freedom proceed some of the enlightenment writings.

Yeah so the settlers and messius Bay they take the charter with them from England that they get from the king. There's technical loophole that allows them to do this they really weren't supposed to but they wanted to have this document key to their governing authority in their own possession.

They quickly sort of go their own way and religious matters and government matters and people around the king don't like this they say the king go get the charter and he actively considers this and messius Bay has to consider what to do.

And are they just going to settle for this and let it happen their answers no they train their militia they fortified of some extent the Boston Harbor they put a beacon on a prominent hill to let people know if the king ships are coming that's known as beacon hill to this very day and I just learned something I lived on beacon hill never heard that really yeah.

So it just goes just this cultural grew in this country runs so deep and so along and the king tries to send a ship it founders upon launch and the messius Bay keeps keeps charter but this goes so deep because the kind of people who came here in messius Bay they came from

area of England known as east anglia they were highly Protestant more even gel come the rest of England more commercial than rest of England more literate than the rest of England and also were a rebellious people and rebelled against authority very often so you get these people coming here and bringing all those predilections and attitudes here and helping define the American project going forward even when it's all sorts of other people coming here they they

kind of absorb these these attitudes and assimilate to this culture so again it just goes to the point how important culture is it's it's funny listening to you I'm reminded that when I was in fifth grade we did a play I was in Connecticut about Sir Edmund and Rose who came from England to take back the the charter that Connecticut colony had had a charter giving them a lot of leeway and governing themselves and Sir Edmund and

Andrews comes to take the charter and they hide it in the fabled charter oak which lasted until the the 1850s I think but it's an amazing thing that even you know in in in 1972 I was being taught some of these ideas in a public school in Connecticut right and all of this has has evaporated and I would say that we are at a point now where if we don't teach our young people all the things we're talking about and we we don't teach ourselves these things

where we're we're going to be lost you just talked about the the little platoons again Chuck Colson would talk about that all the time but these aren't the kinds of things that matter to globalists and it seems to me that why is it that most of the neocons are never trumpers seem to be either of a libertarian or neocon strain they really are not

Yes Berkey and conservatives well I think there's there's spectrum so there's some never trump conservatives who they're they're not pro gun they're not pro life they want a pretty interventionist foreign policy so there's just not much upside to Trump for them and there are others who are more traditional conservatives who are just appalled by his personal conduct and I think a lot of where you end up on Trump on spectrum depends on just how how

important you think you know that what he says and how he acts is to your ultimate evaluation of them but don't you find it funny that the utterly unpredictable candidate whom we the American people elected has proven to be in fact more conservative in many ways than many conservatives astonishing that Donald Trump ends up being arguably you can argue about Reagan or Bush but there's a colorable case he's the most pro life

president in our lifetimes and certainly whether that's true or not certainly being completely consistent like a rock on it that guy with his background is astonishing is just completely astonishing same thing on judges you know maybe there's been one bad nominee and dozens and dozens and dozens so this is something that I've been surprised by it was part of the reason I was huge skeptical of Trump because I thought he'd just be totally up for grabs and we've seen he's he's been up for grabs on you know he's gone back and forth

in Syria and some other things but on these core commitments of his coalition he's been utterly faithful to them in an extraordinary way yeah it's it's staggering you said it was astonishing because none of us knew ultimately how how he would turn out we knew he would turn out better than Hillary and if memory serves she was the only other choice pause for effect but it is an amazing thing to me rich that that this president

for all of his foibles has somehow tapped in to all this stuff we're talking about and I would venture to say that he couldn't discuss it in the way that we're discussing it but he somehow intuitively instinctively understands these things yeah well he's he's a man of his time and placed you know sort of 1970s queens very formative to him they're downsides in 1970s queens but it was it was a picture of him

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