Riana Pfefferkorn and David Thiel on How to Fight Computer-Generated Child Sexual Abuse Material
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🗓️ 5 February 2024
⏱️ 51 minutes
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Summary
One of the dark sides of the rapid development of artificial intelligence and machine learning is the increase in computer-generated child pornography and other child sexual abuse material, or CG-CSAM for short. This material threatens to overwhelm the attempts of online platforms to filter for harmful content—and of prosecutors to bring those who create and disseminate CG-CSAM to justice. But it also raises complex statutory and constitutional legal issues as to what types of CG-CSAM are, and are not, legal.
To explore these issues, Associate Professor of Law at the University of Minnesota and Lawfare Senior Editor Alan Rozenshtein spoke with Riana Pfefferkorn, a Research Scholar at the Stanford Internet Observatory, who has just published a new white paper in Lawfare's ongoing Digital Social Contract paper series exploring the legal and policy implications of CG-CSAM. Joining in the discussion was her colleague David Thiel, Stanford Internet Observatory's Chief Technologist, and a co-author of an important technical analysis of the recent increase in CG-CSAM.
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| 0:30.0 | There is no incentive for platforms to be investing a lot of effort into trying to make the decision about whether something is AI generator or not because they face a lot of liability if they guess wrong. |
| 0:46.0 | And so it's going to place even more burden on the pipeline and potentially divert resources from intervening in actual abuse cases. This is a system that simply was never built to deal with trying to spot novel synthetic media and that keeps having to be kind of revamped as they go along on |
| 1:05.8 | this massive rocket ship to try and keep it going to deal with the ongoing upticks in |
| 1:11.1 | material year over year. |
| 1:12.4 | I'm Alan Rosenstein. ongoing upticks in material year over year. |
| 1:13.0 | I'm Alan Rosenstein, associate professor of law at the University of Minnesota and senior editor at |
| 1:18.2 | Law Fair. |
| 1:19.2 | And this is the Law Fair podcast for February 5, 2024. One of the Dark Side on child pornography and other child sexual abuse material, or CGC Sam for short. |
| 1:35.6 | This material threatens to overwhelm the attempts of online platforms to |
| 1:39.7 | filter for harmful content and of prosecutors to bring those who create and disseminate |
| 1:44.3 | C. Sam to justice. But it also raises complex statutory and constitutional legal issues |
| 1:50.7 | as to what types of computer-generated C-SAM are and are not legal. |
| 1:55.3 | To explore these issues, I spoke with Riana Fevercorn, a research scholar at the Stanford |
| 1:59.5 | Internet Observatory, who has just published a new white paper in Law Fair's ongoing digital |
| 2:03.8 | social contract paper series exploring the legal and policy implications of |
| 2:07.8 | C.S. Sam. Joining in the discussion was her colleague David Thiel, Stanford Internet Observatory's chief technologist, and a co-author of an important technical analysis of the recent increase in CGC Sam. |
| 2:19.0 | It's a Lawfare Podcast, February 5th, Rianna Pefricorn and David Thiel on how to fight computer-generated child |
| 2:25.6 | sexual abuse material. |
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