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The Lawfare Podcast

Prosecuting Sexual and Gender-Based Violence in Armed Conflict

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🗓️ 6 February 2024

⏱️ 48 minutes

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Summary

Among the many horrific stories emerging out of the conflicts in Ukraine and Israel/Gaza are instances of sexual and gender-based violence. It’s an issue that is pervasive in many armed conflicts, and yet, even now, it’s often treated as an afterthought. There are a lot of reasons for that, but one of the lesser-appreciated ones is the limitation of existing law. Lawfare Executive Editor Natalie Orpett spoke with Fionnuala Ní Aoláin, a professor at University of Minnesota Law School and a former UN Special Rapporteur. They talked about the legal framework around sexual and gender-based violence, the challenges of prosecuting these acts of violence as international crimes, and where the law fails.

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Why is it so hard given what we know about the widespread and systematic nature of these harms for women in multiple conflicts?

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Why is it just so hard to get convictions?

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And I would bring us back and remind us of the same dynamic in domestic courts, how difficult

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it is to prosecute this crime, partly because we have

0:56.2

evidential challenges. We have evidential challenges because often the only

1:02.2

evidence is the rape victim himself or herself.

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That's complicated even all the more in these conflict contexts where you may not have access to a rape kit.

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There may not be actual physical evidence that supports the testimonial evidence of a victim. I'm Natalie Orpete executive editor of

1:26.4

Law Fair and this is the Law Fair podcast February 6th, 2024.

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Among the many horrific stories emerging out of the conflicts in Ukraine and Israel,

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Gaza are instances of sexual and gender-based violence.

1:41.7

It's an issue that is pervasive in many armed conflicts, and yet, even now, it's often treated as an afterthought.

1:48.0

There are a lot of reasons for that, but one of the lesser appreciated ones is the limitations of existing law.

1:55.4

I spoke with Finula Nie Leine, a professor at University of Minnesota Law School and a former

2:00.7

UN Special Rapporteur. We talked about the legal framework around

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sexual and gender-based violence, the challenges of prosecuting these acts of

2:08.8

violence as international crimes, and where the law fails.

2:13.8

It's the law fair podcast February 6th, 2024.

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