Hello everyone, it's John here. Just letting you know that I have written a book. It's called Thirst,

12 drinks that changed my life, and it's out now. In many episodes of How Do You Cope,

you'll have heard me talk about my relationship with alcohol, and in writing Thirst, I wanted to

explore what alcohol means. Why did it mean more to me than other people? Why did it mean some

things felt better, and why did it mean so many

things went wrong? I also talk about lots of other things you'll have heard me and my guests

discuss on how do you cope. Meditation, physical pain, gratitude, trauma and therapy. There's even

a chapter about my bum and its relationship with Buddhism. So if that piques your interest,

thirst is out now,

and the audiobook, read by me, is available wherever you get audiobooks from.

Welcome everyone to the Gratitude List, and I'm delighted to say that I'm still joined by Riann.

And I was conscious when you were talking earlier in our discussion that you were very clear on how fortunate you'd been in lots of ways before you lost George and Paul.

And I don't know whether that's by design or that's just who you are,

but that sort of building up of positives in some sense, has that been helpful to you in the grieving process

to always try to find another interpretation of a scenario or a way things could be worse,

even when you are going through the worst?

Absolutely.

I think, I don't know if it's intentional or not,

but I always think there's somebody worse off than you.

You know, I lost so much, but I've still got so much.

You know, I've still got other children,

and I've still got, you know,

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