Hello there, it's Jonathan in London. We won't be bringing you a new episode of Unholy this week.

As some of you may have read, this week saw the death of Arella Chavid, an accomplished and acclaimed photographer,

who was also mother-in-law to Yonit. Our heart goes out to her, to Ido, and to all of the family. May

Ariel's memory be a blessing. We will be back with a new episode next week. But for now,

we thought we'd give you another chance to listen to an episode that had a huge impact.

We recorded it four weeks after the 7th of October attacks when some of the

differences between Israeli and diaspora views were beginning to emerge. We called it war therapy,

and here's how Yonit introduced it back in November. Hi, everyone. This is Yonit, and this is a special episode of Unholy. As the war between Israel and

Hamas enters its second month, it's clear that things will not be the same for Israelis and

Jews outside Israel. So Jonathan and I decided to do something a bit different, air out feelings,

angers, and frustrations that built up

between the two of us. This isn't a debate. This isn't about winning the argument. It is about

two friends trying to listen and understand, even when they disagree, even when it's difficult,

and staying friends.

So you and I, Yoni, have been doing this podcast for nearly three years.

And through that, I think we've got to know each other very, very well.

And one thing that I think listeners have reported back is they have spotted that the last three weeks have been difficult for them and they thought for us. And, you know, it's been an observation that a few of

our listeners have made that is there a kind of, beyond just talking about these awful events,

is there a kind of tension between you and me. And because we talk a lot,

even outside the podcast, we both thought it might be an idea to at least address that and say,

well, is there? And if there is, what it might it be about? Because, and I don't think it's actually

even an over-reading of it,

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