Right, those of you have been following a podcast for however long you even following us know that I'm primarily a backpacker and a hiker,

and I'm always looking for ways to lighten up my gear. I'm looking for ways to have more fun and spend less energy doing so.

But are there ways we could take those principles,

those lightweight backpacking principles

and apply them in our everyday lives?

Let's find out. Today we have with us, author of the upcoming book, Take Less, Do More. Look, take less do more. Surprising life lessons in generosity, gratitude,

Curia, and Curiosity from an ultra-light backpacker. Land Van Pescui, welcome to Papa Bear hikes.

Thanks, Martin.

Appreciate the opportunity to be here.

So Glenn, before we start talking about the book,

you have a very interesting past. You've done everything from being

from being a dishwasher, volunteer with the Boy Scouts, you work in economic development,

and you're currently managing director of Gossamer Gear.

Tell us a little bit about you.

Well, and I'm actually currently a dishwasher.

That's a, that's a current job on my resume and there's a obviously there's a whole story there but I grew up in the you you know, in the Western outdoors, camping, you know, kind of in state parks,

national parks when I was a kid and and then parents got divorced, I moved back to your

coast, the East Coast, Western Massachusetts, and was in Boy Scouts there and, you know, played in the

woods and hills of New England and then in

1976 I graduated high school and rode my bicycle back across the country and

ended up on the West Coast and have been here ever since, mostly in California,

Southern California and then for the past six years in Central Oregon.

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