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Revisited: How to save the Amazon episode one: the stakes

Science Weekly

The Guardian

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4.21K Ratings

🗓️ 5 November 2025

⏱️ 28 minutes

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Summary

Global environment editor Jon Watts goes in search of answers to the question the journalist Dom Phillips was investigating when he was murdered: how to save the Amazon? In episode one of this miniseries from June 2025, Jon explores what’s at stake if we fail to act in time. He hears about the crucial role of the rainforest for South America and the global climate, and asks how cattle ranching came to dominate and destroy huge swathes of the rainforest – pushing it to a dangerous tipping point today. Help support our independent journalism at theguardian.com/sciencepod

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0:00.0

This is The Guardian.

0:10.1

Hi, it's Madeline here.

0:12.5

For the rest of this week, we're returning to a mini-series from earlier this year.

0:18.5

On the 5th of June, 2022, Bruno Pereira and Dom Phillips were murdered in the Amazon.

0:24.7

Dom, a British journalist and longtime guardian contributor, was being guided by Bruno, as he sought

0:30.9

to understand the destruction of the Amazon and meet those on the front line of the battle to

0:35.8

protect the forest. That battle continues as global politicians, indigenous leaders and environmental activists

0:43.3

converge in the Brazilian city of Belém at the gateway to the Amazon for COP 30 next week.

0:50.3

The location couldn't be more apt.

0:53.3

As you'll hear, the rainforest plays a vital role in keeping the whole planet's climate imbalance.

1:00.0

So across the next three episodes here on Science Weekly, we're exploring the question that inspired Dom, how to save the Amazon.

1:09.0

Here's Global Environment Editor John Watts.

1:19.4

Always some strange noise of a bird or an insect

1:26.3

that never fails to make a walk with the dogs down to the river into

1:32.9

something of a nature expedition. So here I am in the Amazon rainforest, much to my own

1:41.3

surprise, as I never ever imagined,

1:45.0

that I would be spending my middle age in such a place.

1:50.1

How did I get here?

1:51.8

Well, it's partly a love story

1:54.3

because it's very much connected to how I met my wife.

1:58.7

Hey, Frida, hey Tutu.

2:04.6

That's my dogs, who are like our children because we met in late middle age.

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