Hi, everyone is Andrew Claven with this week's interview with Catherine Pacholic, the author of Hannah's Children,

the women quietly define the birth dearth.

I think this is probably the most important story in the world.

The birth rate in America is near record lows.

And this is a place where Elon Musk and I agree absolutely.

This is in dangers the continuation of humanity and

certainly the continuation of our government and our form of government. It hadn't been

before the fall of the Roman Empire, the population of Rome just bottomed out. The city of Rome,

I think went from like a million people to something like 50,000 people. And of course,

you can't have a city

without people in it. It's just buildings. It doesn't mean a thing. And women in Rome went from having

12 children on average to two. And it's frightening to see this happening without anybody really

talking about it or anybody who is talking about it coming up with any ideas that have worked in the

past. They're constantly saying we should give them a mom bonus or we should give them this

free thing or that free thing and it simply does not do the trick. Catherine a colic has written

this book, Hannah's children, the women quietly defying the birth, which did something incredibly

intelligent, which was to study those women who are still having children and find out what made

them different from the women who aren't. Catherine, thank you so much for coming on. I really appreciate it.

You're welcome. It's great to be here. So tell me how this idea came to. You are economist is that right that's right yeah and so

I'm a bit of a well all right do you want me to go way back so the idea came to me it's really a

sort of a funny idea but but a simple one I mean it's this kind of principle of immunity sort of

you know there's there's been this constant concern, right, going back 200 or more years, you know, going back to Malthus. But as you pointed out, go back to the Roman Empire. I mean, right, this constant concern about whether we'll have too many people, too few people. There's the doomsday thinking, which goes back.

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