Hi, it's Lulu.

You might be wondering what a new episode of the interview is doing in your podcast feed.

Well, we've actually got two new episodes for you this week.

Today, a conversation I had with Jesuit priest, Father James Martin,

and then David's interview with science writer Michael Paulin will be out at the usual time on Saturday.

Here's the episode.

From the New York Times, this is the interview.

I'm Lulu Garcia-Navarro.

Like many Americans, I've been watching the events in Minneapolis with growing alarm.

The division and violence has many of the folks I've spoken to asking which side of this growing crisis they fall on and what they should do about it.

That isn't just a political question, but a moral and spiritual one too.

And it's one that I've been thinking about even more since I had this conversation with Father James Martin.

Martin is a best-selling author, editor at large of the Jesuit magazine America. since I had this conversation with Father James Martin.

Martin is a best-selling author, editor at large of the Jesuit magazine America, and also a consultant to the Vatican's dicastry for communication.

In layman's terms, that means that part of his job is to help explain the Catholic Church

to Americans, which is done on social media in his writings and as an

unexpected regular on late night TV shows. He's also ministered to LGBTQ Catholics, and he's part of

the progressive wing of the church. All of this work has become more complicated as the conflicts in

America have divided the church itself.

Over the past year, American bishops and clergy have increasingly spoken out against the Trump

administration's policies, including on immigration, even though many prominent administration

figures like Vice President J.D. Vance, Secretary of State Marco Rubio,

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