From the New York Times, this is the interview. I'm Lulu Garcia Navarro.

Minneapolis Mayor Jacob Fry knows that what is playing out on the streets of his city will have profound implications for the whole country.

Since December, there's been an influx of thousands of federal agents into Minneapolis

as part of what the Department of Homeland Security has termed Operation Metro Surge.

And Fry has had to shepherd a city riven by protests,

infuriated by the killing of two American citizens at the hands of ICE and CBP,

and shaken by aggressive immigration

raids that have left some residents afraid to leave their homes.

I spoke to Mayor Frye on Thursday afternoon.

Not long after Bordersar Tom Homan, who's been dispatched to Minneapolis, promised to de-escalate

the situation there.

He said in a press conference

that there would be a drawdown of agents, only to have President Trump later denied that there

was any plan to pull back. Meanwhile, protests against ICE have now spread nationwide, and

congressional Democrats are pushing for reform of an immigration enforcement agency that they say is out of control.

For its part, the federal government is promising to crack down on the protesters,

and the Justice Department has opened an investigation into Minnesota elected officials,

including Mayor Fry and Minnesota Governor Tim Walz, for what they allege is a conspiracy to impede federal immigration agents.

While there are many differing opinions on what is happening in Minneapolis,

it's clear that this confrontation between the federal government, a state, and its people,

is an inflection point.

For the view on how this conflict is playing out on the ground, and where it might be headed and its people is an inflection point.

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