Hello and welcome to Business Daily. I'm Justin Rowlatt, and today I'm exploring the future,

or at least one very radical vision of it. I'm speaking to two tech profits who claim the world

is on the cusp of the most transformational upheaval in history. They say a confluence of new

technologies in energy, in transportation, in food and

materials could wipe out poverty and solve climate change. And this isn't some hazy vision of a distant

utopia. They say it could all happen by 2035. That is here on Business Daily.

We both were invited along to a US military think tank just over four years ago. They were looking

at a scenario of a rapid energy transition. So they were asking what would it mean for geopolitics

if we moved off fossil fuels very

quickly. That is Jamie Arbib. He's one half of the futureological duo behind the Tech Think

Tank RethinkX. And he is just telling me how he met his intellectual partner, Tony Ziba.

There were 10 experts, I think, invited along. And eight of them were from very big and august institutions,

you know, large oil companies, departments of government, big NGOs.

And they all pretty much had the same straight line forecast for the adoption of solar renewables and

electric vehicles, you know, forecasting maybe 10, 20% adoption by 2050.

And I'll never forget Tony getting up and saying, look, this isn't how disruption works.

It's not slow and linear.

It's an S-curb.

This thing is over by the early 2030s.

We'll have fully electric transportation.

That idea of the S-curve is central to their thinking.

Think of it like a dam breaking. First, a new technology arrives as a trickle, barely noticed, then suddenly it escalates into a flood that sweeps away

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