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Now, a typical working life started anything maybe between 18 and 22.

Work your way up through some kind of career ladder

if you can. Retire what at 60, 65, maybe 67. Now of course there are many jobs that don't have

much of a ladder built into them. And many people, most often women, take time out of work and

disrupt their career ascent. So there is no real typical.

But for many, there is an expectation that work is a kind of progression and then you stop.

And today we wanted to challenge that model, asking whether more of us need to rethink retirement,

perhaps moving up and then trading down in a later career.

Or at the very least, can we expand realistic job opportunities for older workers?

So they have more choice about whether to wind down into retirement

and not be shut out by employers who might assume that younger workers are better.

Now, we do seem to be needing more workers these days,

so there's a public interest in this as well as a personal and a corporate one.

Now, a couple of weeks ago, we asked you, our listeners, for your experiences in this area.

And we've had a dozen of emails emails and we're going to feature a selection

later in the program but one of them was very intriguing to us so we just had to invite the

centre onto the show and he is the first of my three guests Matthew Rideout founder of need

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