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Hello again.

This is our last programme in the current run.

And maybe with a bit of that end-of-term feeling,

we thought we'd try something a little different on the bottom line today. It's a bit of that end-of-term feeling, we thought we'd try something

a little different on the bottom line today. It's a bit of an experiment. You can let us know

whether it works or not afterwards. Suffice to say, this is untried and unrehearsed. What we have

today is three business scenarios of things going wrong. And we have three top, top business guests who do not know what

the scenarios are. And we're going to let the guests hear the scenarios and tell us how they would

react in those situations. You could see it as a test of their crisis management skills. So let me

introduce the guests first. And first up is Justin King,

former chief executive of Sainsbury's, chairman now of Allwin, the new lottery provider,

National Lottery franchise holder, and also of Ovo Energy. Justin, Alwyn, have just taken over

the National Lottery. What's happening? Is it going well? Yes, on the 1st of February. And yes, it's going well. The limit of the aspirations, if you like, I suppose, to the point of this programme was for nothing to go wrong. And although a few things did, if you like, out of the sight of the public. It was seamless and we're very pleased with that.

But we've got a 10-year licence and lots of exciting plans going forward.

Yeah, it's a really big thing to imagine a new lottery provider

because the old one felt like part of the furniture.

Yes, 29 years.

Yeah.

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