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Smart People Podcast

Rethinking Purpose: Why Chasing Big Goals Might Be Making You Miserable with Jordan Grumet

Smart People Podcast

Smart People Industries

Business, Education, Society & Culture

4.6736 Ratings

🗓️ 6 May 2025

⏱️ 62 minutes

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Summary

What if the relentless chase for big goals is actually what’s making you feel unfulfilled? In this episode, hospice physician and author Jordan Grumet shares what he’s learned from those at the end of life—and why our culture’s definition of purpose may be all wrong. Instead of striving for impact, Jordan invites us to focus on the simple, joyful actions that light us up right now. You’ll learn why most of us don’t have a purpose problem—we have a meaning problem—and how to gently shift your life toward something more authentic. This is a conversation that could help you stop chasing and start living. Jordan's book, The Purpose Code: How to unlock meaning, maximize happiness, and leave a lasting legacy, is available now! Learn more about Jordan at jordangrumet.com. Help us grow and become a Patron today: https://www.patreon.com/smartpeoplepodcast Support the Show - Become a Patron! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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0:52.4

This is Smart People Podcast, a podcast for smart people, where we talk to smart people, but not necessarily done by smart people.

1:04.7

Oh, hey, so it's been a while. Chris and I had to unexpectedly take a few weeks off because, well, life's busy.

1:12.4

I've got a two-month-old and a two-year-old.

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Chris has his two-year-old plus his older boys and a new job.

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