Now I've actually changed what I say as my biggest fear. It's not a relevance or extinction.

It's actually that we will get in the way of what God's people, what they're trying to do.

And it's happening in the US. I see it. There's books being written. There's a doubling down on this idea that we know what a healthy church looks like.

And we are not going to fund anything that doesn't look like our idea of a healthy church.

We're not hiding our identity. This is not any other social work. These are kingdom people who are engaged in the lives of people.

So we are working with a different paradigm. We are not at war with Hinduism or anybody else.

But we want to see, okay, what does the kingdom require us to do in a particular situation?

You're listening to unbelievable with Justin Briley.

Hello, welcome to today's show. Joseph DeSousa and Andrew Scott joined me for an important conversation on a new approach to kingdom work in the global south and north.

I'll introduce them shortly. But it's been another extraordinary week or two in politics here in the UK with the resignation of the UK's Prime Minister Liz Truss, the shortest time in office of any.

PM historically. I do sometimes wonder what our friends around the world who listen to this show make a videl.

Sign of the turbulent times we're living in. Your prayers for us would always be welcome.

But speaking of turbulent times, I've been exciting you unbelievable event to tell you about coming up soon.

Mark your calendar for Tuesday, the 15th of November, when you can join me discussing culture war questions with Sean McDowell.

Sean is a brilliant apologist and speaker, friend of the show, and his most recent book, A Rebels Manifesto, is aimed at those who want to act with grace and speak with truth into polarising issues such as LGBT, pornography, abortion, morality and more.

So Sean and I will take your questions on these hot button issues, dividing culture and help you learn how to give a reason for your hope with gentleness and respect.

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Now just a word on today's show before we leap into it, my guests Bishop Joseph DeSousa and Andrew Scott were in London this week for a conference with NT Wright, another global church leaders on reimagining global witness.

And Joseph just asked me to read a few words from his introductory remarks for that conference to frame today's discussion.

So Joseph said this, one of the reasons why we have struggled to engage with our complex world is because of the understanding of the gospel that we've been raised with and exposed to. Some of us have termed this as a gospel reductionism, but just one or two aspects of the gospel of the Kingdom of God have been prioritised and emphasised at the expense of critical and central aspects of the Kingdom of God inaugurated by our Lord.

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