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Worklife with Adam Grant

ReThinking: Building confidence with mentalist Oz Pearlman

Worklife with Adam Grant

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4.8 • 9.4K Ratings

🗓️ 2 December 2025

⏱️ 33 minutes

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Summary

Oz Pearlman has been called the World’s Greatest Mentalist—he’s performed for some of the world’s top celebrities and made it to the finals on America’s Got Talent. In this episode, Oz joins Adam live at Authors@Wharton to show off his tricks and discuss the real skills behind his rise to success. The two reflect on Oz’s time working on Wall Street and the lessons he learned as a pizza parlor magician about gaining confidence, managing failure, and taking smart risks, and Oz wows the crowd by reading audience members’ minds.


Host & Guest

Adam Grant (Instagram: @adamgrant | LinkedIn: @adammgrant | Website: https://adamgrant.net/)

Oz Pearlman (Instagram: @ozthementalist | Website: https://www.ozpearlman.com/


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0:00.0

Let's just get the record straight. Can you read people's minds?

0:03.0

I cannot read people's minds.

0:05.0

Why do people want to believe this?

0:06.0

Because people want to believe it's something more than what they see, right?

0:09.0

Science is amazing, but everybody, even the most scientific person there is, has some level of wanting to know what is possible.

0:19.0

Hey everyone, it's Adam Graham.

0:25.1

Welcome back to Rethinking, my podcast with Ted on the science of what makes us tick.

0:29.9

I'm an organizational psychologist, and I'm taking you inside the minds of fascinating people to explore new thoughts and new ways of thinking.

0:37.1

When O's Perlman left a career on Wall Street to become a magician and mentalist,

0:41.6

he couldn't have known where that path would lead.

0:44.1

But since making the finals of America's Got Talent,

0:46.9

he's performed for the likes of Stephen Spielberg, Katie Perry, Tom Brady, and Barack Obama.

0:52.4

I invited O's to join me on stage in the authors at Wharton series to talk about his work

0:56.8

and to see him work his magic up close and personal.

1:00.9

So given to their fans in the audience, I know you wanted to say performing until the very end,

1:06.0

but I'm not that patient.

1:07.3

He said we got to tee something up.

1:08.7

We got to see if you're any good.

1:10.1

How about this?

1:10.6

Who wants in? Who wants in on this right now? All right, let's give this a shot. You know what? Let's hit everybody. To pick someone for his trick, he asked me to throw a frisbee into the crowd. Everyone put your hands up in defensive posture. Adam, let her rip. Toss. Who's got it?

1:28.3

Then Oz asked them to think of someone who they trust.

1:32.3

I think I'm inside your head.

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