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Listen to The Closer, Cast from Harvard Business Review. I'm Sarah Green Carmel. How is it that you can come away from a full day of work with

that unmistakable feeling that you somehow didn't get any work done? You were super

busy all day and then you go home at night and you just

think, what did I really accomplish today? It happens to me, I think it happens to all of us.

Somehow you start what seems like a full day, only to see it sliced and dice into small little pieces of work

Meetings emails online chats catching up with your manager

Things you get done task completed and then somehow it doesn't really feel like it amounted to

anything productive. Jason Freed thinks that there's a better way to work, one

that's so productive that a 40-hour week is more than enough. He's the CEO of the successful software startup

base camp. Jason, thank you so much for talking with the HBO Ideacast.

Thanks for having me on today. So when did you start getting annoyed with the way

that workplaces work?

Kind of always.

Just always felt this way.

It seems like, yeah, like you said, you know, people go to work and when you actually ask them

when they get the work done it's not typically during the day it's early in

the morning late at night on the on the weekends, on a plane, on a train, somewhere else.

And that's always bugged me, it just doesn't seem right, and it seems like something that

for whatever reason people put up with but they really shouldn't

that's kind of a very broken system companies spend so much money in offices

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