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slash voxpod this is recode media with peter kofka that is me and today i want to talk

about disinformation and misinformation on the

internet and what kind of problem that really poses and what we collectively can and should

do about it. So that's why I'm talking to Alex Stamos, who was Facebook's chief security officer

for three years. He left in 2018. He's now the director of the Stanford Internet Observatory.

Welcome, Alex. Hey, Peter. Nice to talk to you again.

Thanks for coming on. I'm always interested in this topic and I always want to talk to you, but I'm talking to you this week because of two very different, but I think related stories in the news.

One, just about everyone knows about on Sunday, thousands of people stormed capital buildings in Brazil.

It looked a lot like their version of the January 6th riots,

and there was an immediate sort of discussion about what role Internet platforms like Twitter and Telegram played in that.

And then the next day, something that I think most people didn't pay attention to,

was a scientific study published in, I think it's called Nature Communications

that looked at the effect of Russian interference on the 2016 election, specifically on Twitter,

and essentially concluded that all the misinformation and disinformation the Russians tried to

sew on Twitter had essentially no impact on that election, had no impact really on anyone's views

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