I am focused on the morality of the church. I want the church to look like Jesus, to look exactly how he looks in the scriptures when he encounters human suffering. I don't believe we have a consistent Christian witness in the abortion conversation that looks enough like Jesus because we've been bound up by this political rhetoric.

Hey, friends, welcome back to another episode of Theology and Arama. My guest today is Angela Wesley, who is the founder and CEO of Pro Grace, an organization

that seeks to be a trusted guide for Christians seeking to resemble Jesus in the abortion conversation.

Angela is also the author of the recently released book, Becoming Pro Grace,

expanding the abortion conversation beyond life versus choice.

All right, folks, you ready for a engaging and provocative discussion. I loved how Angela engages. She's not afraid to push back and neither am I. We had a really good, healthy, honest dialogue about this really controversial topic. And I just, I love, love, love, love how she points us back to Jesus and the church.

How can the church be the church in this really important conversation? Don't forget to register

for the exiles in Babylon conference by heading over to the theology in raw.com. Space is filling up.

It's just a couple months away. Again, April 30th to May 2nd.

I can't believe this, but a year ago we planned a conference and one of the sessions we planned,

we're like, hey, let's talk about immigration and let's do it in Minneapolis. And anyway,

here we are. We're going to be talking about immigration and the gospel in the heart of Minneapolis with everything going on. And we're

also talking about AI and the church. We're talking about mental health in the gospel. We're talking

about Christians in war. And we're talking about the reliability of the Bible. I can't wait for

the conference. I think it's going to be a special time talking about some very, very serious

issues. So again, theology and the raw.com. Okay, please welcome to the show for the first time.

The one and only, Angela, Angela, I am so excited to talk to you. We've been trying to set this up for a long time. I think it was last summer in 2025 when we first connected. And now you have a book coming out, which I'm excited to talk about. But I would first love to hear your story in terms of how and why you got interested in this topic of, I mean, for lack

of better terms, you know, abortion or pro-life, poor choice, and that whole, you know,

very volatile space. Why would you wish this upon yourself to dive into some of the most heated,

I'm sure, conversations? Yeah. Yes. Well, it's great to meet you, Preston. It's great to be here.

I love we have so much time and we can really go deep into this. And you may relate to this in

your story. I didn't intentionally choose to do what I'm doing.

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