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The Ezra Klein Show

Republicans Are Setting Off a ‘Doom Loop’ for Democracy

The Ezra Klein Show

New York Times Opinion

Society & Culture, Government, News

4.611K Ratings

🗓️ 25 June 2021

⏱️ 78 minutes

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Summary

The insurrection at the Capitol on Jan. 6 failed. Donald Trump is not the president. But at the state level, the Republican war on elections is posting startling wins. They are trying to do what Trump failed to do: neuter elections as a check on Republican power. A new report by three voting rights groups found that 24 laws have been passed in 14 states this year that will allow state legislatures to “politicize, criminalize and interfere in election administration.” And a May analysis from the Brennan Center found that Republican-controlled legislatures in 14 states have passed 22 laws that made voting harder, with dozens of others currently moving through the legislative process. This is an example of what I’ve sometimes referred to as the “doom loop of democracy”: highly gerrymandered Republican state legislatures in key swing states passing legislation that gives them more power to discourage Democratic-leaning groups from voting, throw out legitimate votes and overturn election results — all of it backed up by Republican-dominated courts. Ari Berman is a senior reporter at Mother Jones and the author of “Give Us the Ballot: The Modern Struggle for Voting Rights in America.” He’s done excellent coverage of these state bills. So I wanted to bring him on, in part, to understand these bills on a more detailed level: What do they actually do? What kind of impact will they have? But we also discuss the Republican Party’s minoritarian path to power, potential nightmare 2024 election scenarios, how voting rights became a culture war issue, whether the United States is becoming a “competitive authoritarianism” political system, why the biggest scandal in American democracy is what’s legal and even expected, what HR1 — even if it had passed — would and wouldn’t have fixed and much more. Mentioned in this episode: “What Georgia’s Voting Law Really Does” by Nick Corasaniti and Reid J. Epstein “The Insurrection Was Put Down. The GOP Plan for Minority Rule Marches On.” by Ari Berman “Call it authoritarianism” by Zack Beauchamp “Statement of Concern: The Threats to American Democracy and the Need for National Voting and Election Administration Standards” by multiple “Advantage, GOP” by By Laura Bronner and Nathaniel Rakich “2020 Census: What the Reapportionment Numbers Mean” by Dave Wasserman Recommendations: Tinker Tailor Soldier Spy by John le Carré Race and Reunion by David Blight Dirty Work by Eyal Press You can find transcripts (posted midday) and more episodes of "The Ezra Klein Show" at nytimes.com/ezra-klein-podcast, and you can find Ezra on Twitter @ezraklein. Thoughts? Guest suggestions? Email us at [email protected]. “The Ezra Klein Show” is produced by Annie Galvin, Jeff Geld and Rogé Karma; fact-checking by Michelle Harris and Kate Sinclair; original music by Isaac Jones; mixing by Jeff Geld, audience strategy by Shannon Busta. Special thanks to Kristin Lin.

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0:00.0

I'm Ezra Klein and this is the Ezra Klein Show.

0:18.7

I'm going to ask for your indulgence here because I want to take a few minutes on my introduction

0:22.9

today because what's going on right now, you know, this week when we saw the Four The

0:27.2

People Act get filibuster in the Senate, what's going on right now, the bigger context

0:31.4

it's really important.

0:33.2

And so I want to set this up a little more slowly than I normally do.

0:40.6

So in 2018, Democrats sweep every statewide race in Wisconsin.

0:45.5

They re-elect Democrat Tammy Baldwin to the Senate and after almost a decade of Republican

0:50.4

dominance of the governorship, they finally elect a Democratic governor, Tony Evers.

0:55.7

They should come.

0:56.7

The voters it's spoken.

0:59.0

One month later, just a month, their Republican controlled legislature convened this unprecedented

1:04.6

lame duck session and stripped the incoming governor, the new Democratic governor of key

1:09.9

powers of appointment powers and shortened the early voting period to dampen future Democratic

1:16.2

turnout.

1:17.7

Now it's not that Democrats had somehow failed at the legislative level in the election.

1:24.4

It was at 154%, 54% of votes cast for the state assembly.

1:30.4

What had happened is that Republicans had gerrymandered the state so thoroughly that even

1:35.2

though they won fewer votes in Democrats, they won almost two thirds, two thirds of the

1:39.4

assembly seats, and then they used those seats, they used that power to take back the power

1:45.6

that voters had tried to strip from them.

1:48.2

And the conservative state Supreme Court it upheld nearly all of their moves.

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