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Hi, everyone, from New York Magazine and the Vox Media Podcast Network.

This is On with Kara Swisher, and I'm Kara Swisher.

My guest today is Representative Roe Kana. A lawyer by training,

he represented tech firms before joining the Obama administration and working at the Department

of Commerce. In 2016, he won a seat in Congress representing a district in Silicon Valley. And since then,

he's distinguished himself by his ability to balance being both a progressive capitalist and a cheerleader for the tech industry.

On one hand, Kana was the co-chair of Bernie Sanders' 2020 presidential campaign.

On the other, he's raised money from people like Peter Thiel, David Sachs, and Mark Enderieson.

But after managing to thread that needle for years, Kana's support for a one-time wealth tax on California billionaires has turned many of his tech friends against him.

No surprise, the billionaires have responded with righteous anger, and whether he meant it or not, it seems like Kana has chosen sides.

But there's more to Roe than the wealth tax.

He's also teamed up with Representative Thomas Massey of Kentucky to force the Department of Justice to release the Epstein files. And as the new ranking member on the House Select Committee on China, he's in a position to influence America's relationship with its foremost strategic and, of course, technological adversary. I wanted to bring in Kana back on the pod because I really like talking to him.

We have known each other for years. I obviously covered the people that he represents, and so we got

to know each other. I always thought he was too soft on them, and now he sees what I mean. I

warn them about their incredible greed. I'd warn them about how they would turn on them and the problems that they would

bring to him. And I'm kind of fascinated by how quickly they've turned on him and how surprised he is

by it. And so I wanted to talk about that. And of course, his involvement in the Epstein

vile thing has been a huge success for him and Tom Massey. But I want to know where it goes from here

because the Trump administration has done everything possible to make it difficult to find out

what exactly happened in that situation. Our expert question comes from Steve Ratner. He's a

longtime Wall Street financier and chairman of Willett Advisors, the investment arm for Michael Bloomberg's

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