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Everyone thinks they'd never join a cult.

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We're the hosts of Trust Me, a podcast about cults, manipulation, and the psychology of belief.

Each week, we talk to fellow survivors, former believers, and experts to understand why people get pulled in and how they get out.

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It was her own three-year-old.

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Welcome to the Knife. I'm Pasha Eaton.

I'm Hannah Smith.

This week, we have an unusual story for you. We are talking with a webmaster named Bob Innes, all about his website, renta hitman.com. And yes, I am saying hitman. I actually came across this website a couple of years ago and reached out to Bob, but never heard back. We recently got in touch and sat down for an interview with him and it was so much more wild than we expected.

Let's get into the interview.

Hey, thanks for having me.

So I first reached out to you a couple of years ago.

Didn't hear anything back.

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