Hello and welcome back to Chasing Excellence, a show about chasing, which really matters.

My name is Patrick Cummings.

Thank you so very much for joining us.

If you happened to tune in on Tuesday, we have a decent sense of what's coming today.

If not, I'll repeat myself because why not?

This week, Ben and I are doing a little relaxing, not together.

He's, I think, skiing.

But we've got something cool for you, so worry not.

I went back through the archives.

Ben and I used to do interviews more frequently than we do.

We often have what I just call friends of the show on, but we haven't done a proper interview

in probably a year or two years, folks who he and or I don't already now going into the

episode. But we have had some wonderful people on the show before. And so what I've done

is go back through the archives to some of the episodes that I remember being really,

really great, really resonant, went through, tried to find some interesting five, six,

ten minute clips that we could bubble back up to our collective consciousness to think about as we enter into this wonderful new year.

On Tuesday, we had Robert Waldinger, James Clear, Nate Zinzer.

So go back and check that out if you haven't.

This time around, we've got Ryan Holliday, author of The Obstacle

is the Way is like 714 more books, and that's only a slight exaggeration. We're talking

about the essential stoic exercise of knowing the difference between what's in our control and

not. Then we've got Stephen Kotler, author of The Art of Impossible, also somebody who's written

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