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Well, I thought what we'd do is we could talk about that and just see where the conversation goes.

Also talk about Charlie Kirk or John McArthur or any of the tragedies and just kind of the state of the church.

And what do you

think god's doing i think naturally people ask the question god why are you doing one after another

after another our leadership is being eliminated either by death or by disqualification and i think a lot

of people find that very unsettling and destabilizing,

especially if they don't have a great local church and they're looking for their spiritual

nourishment from these guys, there's not anyone waiting in the wings to fill those big shoes.

Those shoes won't be filled anytime soon as far as I can fill. And I think after John

MacArthur died especially, I know Danny was saying this and I thought the same thing. I said, well, now it's voting. Kind of almost like the torch is passed to voting. He's got to say the hard cultural things and the hard biblical things people don't want to hear and he'll do it. And to hear, I don't know how old he was. 50, 50. Oh, man. That's when you're young in. That's so devastating. My wife's mother died two years ago. She was 56 and it's just, that's so devastating at that age. He has kids. So I'll just start, I guess, and then leave it open. I talked to him, like I said earlier, this is being recorded now, I talked to him in the summer, and I asked him how he was feeling. He's feeling really good, he said, and that he was, that was in the rear of mirror, all the problems with his heart. He had two sons and he was going to bring up here. One of them was going to the military, like this month. I can't imagine what that's going like for him. But, you know, he was taking this new job

founder's seminary, which is why he didn't end up coming up. He was just too busy with all the new

things that they were giving him. And it was supposed to be kind of like the new, the new seminary, the new place you

could go for a theologically conservative, orthodox, solid education. And it's been around for a few

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