Welcome to Uncommon Knowledge, I'm Peter Robinson.

Today, two remarkable Englishmen.

Born during the Second World War,

Sir Roger Scrutin died last year,

where we recorded the program you're about to see on the first anniversary of his death.

A philosopher and man of letters, Sir Roger wrote more than 50 books, including on human nature and how to be a conservative. He was by unanimous opinion the most significant

conservative thinker since Edmund Burke. Which brings me to the right honorable Michael Gove MP or member of Parliament, a member of

Britain's Conservative Party, Michael Gove has served as Education Secretary, Justice

Secretary, and Environment Secretary. He played a central role in the

campaign for Brexit. He now serves in the cabinet of Prime Minister Boris Johnson as

Chancellor of the Duchy of Lancaster and as Minister for the Cabinet office.

The journalist Douglas Murray refers to Mr. Gove as far and away our most intellectually engaged and curious senior politician.

On the legacy of Sir Roger Scrutin, one of Britain's most influential thinkers,

the right honourable Michael Gove, one of Britain's most significant practical politicians.

I'll return to that a couple of times. One aspect of being a practical politician.

I'm at home in California,

you're in your office in Whitehall

and demands on your time are ceaseless.

So let me begin by thanking you for making time.

First questions are quite, are simple and obvious. When did you first become aware of the work of Roger Scrooden and when did you first meet the man himself?

I first became aware of Roger Scrooden. And when did you first meet the man himself?

I first became aware of Rogers work as a schoolboy. I was brought up in Aberdeen in Scotland.

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