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Uncommon Knowledge

The Lord And Lady Thatcher

Uncommon Knowledge

Hoover Institution

Politics, History, News:politics, Science, News

4.8 • 1.9K Ratings

🗓️ 12 January 2021

⏱️ 62 minutes

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Summary

In 1997, Margaret Thatcher asked Charles Moore (also known as Lord Baron Moore of Etchingham) to write her biography, under two conditions: that she would never read the manuscript and that the work would appear only after her death. Twenty-four years later, Moore has just published the third and final volume of Herself Alone: The Authorized Biography. In this conversation, Peter Robinson and Moore discuss Thatcher’s final years as prime minister and her life out of office.

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0:00.0

Welcome to Uncommon Knowledge. I'm Peter Robinson. Educated at Eaton and Cambridge Charles Moore wrote for and edited three of the great English journals. The Daily Telegraph where he employed a young Boris Johnson, the Spectator, and the Sunday Telegraph. In 1997, Lady

0:26.2

Thatcher asked him to write her biography, naming two conditions, that she would never read the manuscript and that the work would appear only after her death.

0:38.0

Some two decades after he began the project, Charles Moore has published the third and final volume herself alone.

0:45.0

Raised to the peerage last October I should note Charles Moore now sits in the House of Lords

0:50.0

as the Lord Moore of Etchingham.

0:53.0

Charles, two quotations from herself alone.

0:58.0

One, she was master of the detail which appeared in the famous red boxes she worked on each night often until two in the morning.

1:08.0

She enjoyed political gossip, but it was the paper rather than the plotting on the so for discussion and cabinet which she saw as the primary means of governing.

1:18.0

Second quotation, the effect on others of her extraordinary personality made greater by the fact that she was a woman operating in world of men is often the story itself.

1:31.0

The paper and the personality. And I suppose this first question is really, of

1:38.4

course we come to her in a moment, but the first question is about technique.

1:43.1

For two decades, you're interweaving these two

1:47.0

in that very room, in which we see you now.

1:51.0

This is as sloppy a question as can be, but still it's the way it forms itself in my mind.

1:55.0

How did you do it?

1:57.0

Well, the funny thing is when you're doing this, Peter Peter you just sort of get on with it and questions present themselves and you try to solve them I didn't have a sort of theory of how to do it.

2:09.0

I'll just say this though that there are of course two basic sources the written ones and the oral

2:14.9

ones and because Mrs Thatcher had turned the key in the lot for me I had more or less

2:21.2

total access to both government paper and her own papers and access to all the people

2:27.6

who were closely associated with her and a lot of others who weren't so closely but it had something or other to do with her.

2:33.0

So interviewed 600 people for the books and then this massive, massive amount of paper because

2:39.6

she was a very busy lady as you already made clear and she was prime minister for so long 11

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