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Welcome, it is Verdiq with Senator Ted Cruz, Ben Ferguson with you. It's nice to have you with us

wherever you are around the country. And this is one of those just somber shows. Senator, you and I

actually have not gotten to talk since the tragic assassination of Charlie Kirk. A dear friend of

both of ours, you've known him for over a decade like I have.

You've broken bread with Charlie.

We have actually done verdict live at Turning Point events down in Florida.

You've spoken at other Turning Point events as I have as well.

I saw him not too long ago, and we just talked about our kids.

And I think about his kids and I think about his kids,

and I think about his wife and this tragedy, and it makes me so sad that this is where we are in this country, that there are people that believe that this is the way to do things.

And I want to get your reaction to that as well.

Look, this, I'm heartbroken. Charlie was a good friend. As you noted, I've known Charlie for over a

decade. I met him when he was 18 years old. He was a young kid. He was coming out of Chicago.

He was just starting turning point. He had this vision. He had this vision for energizing young people.

And he was, as an 18 year old, Charlie was impressive. You could see how smart he was. You could see how driven he was. You could see the clarity of vision that he had.

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