You're feeling great.

I am feeling great. You know, my big thing is you cannot cry after a PR or after a win, no matter how ugly it was or how small the PR. You never know when a PR is going to become a lifetime best. You don't want to say that, but people who don't think PRing is a big deal, it is. You have to celebrate every single one, so I'm going to celebrate. All right, Katie. We wish that's all like, we'll see you in London.

Thank you. think PRing is a big deal. You have to celebrate every single one, so I'm going to celebrate.

All right, Gabe. We wish you best luck and we'll see you in London. Thank you. That was Gabe Grenwald after running a 401 in the 1500 meters at the 2013 Monaco Diamond League.

She was a professional middle distance runner who inspired millions with her strength and courage.

And on June 11th, she died after a decade-long battle with cancer.

She was 32 years old.

So this will be a bit of a heavy episode, which is why it's taken me a little bit of a

while to get out. Last week, the world lost one of the most inspirational members of the running

community. And before we get to the rest of the episode, I just wanted to share a couple of things

and a couple of remarks that I made before a recent group run in New York City that was held in memory and in

honor of Gabe. In a perfect world, I don't think this podcast ever happens. I don't think that run

in New York City ever happens. I don't think the memorial runs in Portland and Flagstaff and

Minneapolis ever happens.

I think Gabe ends up back on a track making another U.S. final, possibly vying for another world championship team, but that's not what happens.

What you'll hear on this episode is audio from April 2017. So bear with me if the quality

from the audio recording from a phone call wasn't the best. But this was from an interview that I

had with Gabe that I never got around to using really. In July 2017, actually, Sports

Illustrated senior writer Tim Layden wrote quite the masterpiece chronicling Gabe's life and

her cancer battle. I'll include the link to that story in the show notes. So I just had this

recording on my phone for about two years. And I listened to it for the

first time. It almost is that long just a couple days ago. And I jotted down a bunch of notes.

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