Sam Sellers and Elise Heerde return for Part 2 to unpack what healing actually looks like after leaving high-control religious environments. Spoiler: it is not neat, linear, or especially glamorous. Sam talks about getting married, being shunned, learning to live with religious trauma, and slowly rebuilding after years of dissociation. Elise shares how counseling helped her connect the dots between assault recovery, body-based trauma responses, and the God-image she had been handed.

A big thread here is how these systems train people to distrust their own minds, especially through weaponized Bible passages, predestination logic, and the kind of “God said it, I believe it, end of discussion” authority that makes your inner compass feel illegal. Both guests also dig into the messy aftermath of deconstruction, including functional freeze, black-and-white thinking, and the way survivors can accidentally recreate some of the same dynamics they’re trying to escape.

Our convo ends with a practical note of hope: Religious Trauma and Cults is expanding its work to support survivors and practitioners across Australia and New Zealand, with a focus on high-control groups of all kinds—not just religious ones.

Follow Religious Trauma and Cults at religioustraumaandcults.com, Sam’s website and podcast at anchoredcounsellingservices.com.au and Elise’s website and books at eliseheerde.com.

And to follow the Victorian Parliamentary inquiry into the recruitment and impact of cults and other fringe groups submission: https://religioustraumaandcults.com/victorian-cult-inquiry-submission

Trigger warning: This episode contains frank discussion of religious trauma, coercive control, assault recovery, dissociation, queer identity, emotional and spiritual abuse, and family/community rejection.

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