Religious “Nones” and “Dones” with Ryan Burge (#382)

Religion on the Mind

Religion, Spirituality, Religion & Spirituality

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🗓️ 23 February 2026

⏱️ 84 minutes

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In this conversation, Ryan Burge joins me to explore the evolving landscape of religion in America, focusing on the concepts of “nones” and “dones”—those who identify as non-religious or have distanced themselves from organized religion—and how we see these concepts playing out across society. Highlights 05:36 The State of American Christianity 11:29 The Impact of Partisanship on Religion 14:28 Self-Worth and Life Satisfaction in Religious Contexts 54:35 The Evolution of Gender Identity Awareness 01:08:51 Navigating the Complexities of Trans Issues ___________________________________________ Follow Dan on IG: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠www.instagram.com/dancoke/⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Or Twitter: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠twitter.com/DanKoch⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Faith deconstruction resources: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠www.soyouredeconstructing.com/⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Join the Patreon for exclusive episodes (and more) every month: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠patreon.com/dankoch⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Email about the "sliding scale" for the Patreon: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠youhavepermissionpodcast@gmail.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ YHP Patron-only FB group: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠tinyurl.com/ycvbbf98⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Website: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠www.dankochwords.com/yhp.html⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Join Dan's email list: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠www.dankochwords.com/⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Artwork by ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Nickryanluevano.com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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0:00.0	Welcome back everybody to Religion on the Mind.
0:12.2	I am your host, Dr. Dan Koch, licensed therapist.
0:15.7	Joining me today, I would go further than friend of the pod.
0:19.4	I would say dear listener favorite and personal favorite friend of the pod,
0:25.1	Ryan P. Burge, you know him from his wildly popular substack,
0:31.1	graphs about religion.
0:33.5	Great, great title, huh?
0:35.3	That sentence alone, wildly popular substack entitled Graffs About Religion, that should be like on your tombstone or something. That's good. It's so funny. It's like, I was trying to name it. I was trying to call all these fun names. Yeah. I mean, like, creative and thoughtful. I'm like, no, man, screw that crap.
0:58.1	And you know what? That's actually, I think, been a really good marketing.
1:02.9	Because like, you. 100%. You just know what you're getting. There's no nonsense here, you know?
1:13.9	I am, I am trying to get to a place where I can honestly accept the realities of the world as they are described by marketing professionals in terms of like letting someone know in a world saturated with shit what your shit is about
1:20.9	quickly i can tell you exactly what it's about it's graphs about my dms he's like hey
1:25.8	why don't you like interview people and like ask one
1:27.5	questions about, but I'm like, tap the sign, dumb, dumb.
1:30.1	It's called graphs about religion.
1:42.8	I make graph. Like, you know what you're going to get. Yeah. But I will say this. The downside of that is I cannot do anything that is not graphs about religion on grass about religions. so I can't write like an op-ed piece about something or other.
1:44.4	It has to be what I do,
1:47.6	which is sort of like golden handcuffs, I suppose.
1:44.4	Yeah. so I can't write like an op-ed piece about something or other. It has to be what I do,
1:51.3	which is sort of like golden handcuffs, I suppose. Yeah, yeah. The best handcuffs I've ever had would only have been gilded, never quite golden. Okay, so we got a, we got a few things to
1:57.2	talk about here. I love having you on the show. This has been a longer break,
2:01.9	like about a year and a half, I think, since you were last on because we were in person for that one.
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