Welcome to the podcast Think Biblically, Conversations on Faith and Culture.

I'm your host Scott Ray, Dean of Faculty and Professor of Christian Ethics here at

Talbot School of Theology at Biola University. And I'm your co-host Sean McDowell,

Professor of Apologetics at Talbot School of Theology, Biola University.

Our guest today are two of the leading figures in the subject of religious freedom,

both domestically and internationally.

On the domestic side, we're with Judge Ken Starr, who's a former solicitor general of the United

States, former appeals court judge, former college president, as both these men

actually have resumes much longer than we have time to read.

And then Thomas Far on the international side, Professor Thomas Farr is with us.

He's a professor of the Practice of Religion and World Affairs at Georgetown School of Foreign Service,

Director of the Religious Freedom Research Project at the Berkeley Center at Georgetown.

We're so pleased to have both these gentlemen with us today to discuss issues of

religious freedom both in the United States and

around the world.

Let me start with this first to just on a more personal note.

Tell our listeners a little bit how each of you got as involved as you have been today in the in the

whole discussion and advocacy for global religious freedom. My passage to this

issue was an odd one. It was through one of the most secular institutions

in America, namely the Department of State. I had the privilege of being a Foreign Service

Officer for 21 years, and the last assignment I had was the

newly created Office of International Religious Freedom.

...