Welcome to the podcast Think Bibbically, conversations on faith and culture.

I'm your host Sean McDow, professor of apolog Apologetics at Taubet School Theology,

Biola University.

Well today we're releasing a bonus episode based on a conversation I recently had with

Bart Campolo.

Now you might recognize the name Campolo. Bart has been an evangelist and a speaker

and a worker in the inner city for decades. You also might recognize his father, Tony Campolo,

a Christian evangelist and professor, who's very well known for decades.

Well, Bart recently came out and announced that he's now a seku humanist.

He's left his faith.

And I actually remember as an undergrad at Biola in the mid to late 90s

hearing him speak and he announced it recently and he and I got invited on to a

show called Unbelievable Radio hosted by Justin Briarley to kind of compare

and contrast our stories and experiences but really debate and discuss does secular humanism or Christianity best explain reality and

particular moral values? I'm confident you will enjoy this podcast so take a

listen and if you do consider sharing it with a friend.

Firstly, Bart as someone who hasn't featured on the program before.

Do you want to just briefly spell out what the journey was for you?

Because I understand having had a sort of conversion in your youth.

Gradually you came to doubt more and more aspects of Christian faith

as you'd understood them, and until at some point you

realized I don't think I'd believe the whole story anymore.

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