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Amicus With Dahlia Lithwick | Law, justice, and the courts

Religious Belief, Sincerely Held

Amicus With Dahlia Lithwick | Law, justice, and the courts

Slate Audio

News Commentary,, Government, News

4.63.4K Ratings

🗓️ 9 June 2018

⏱️ 65 minutes

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Summary

An epic Amicus this week, with a  thorough analysis of Masterpiece Cakeshop v Colorado Civil Rights Commission with Slate’s Mark Joseph Stern. What does is tell us about Justice Anthony Kennedy’s plans, and can it tell us anything about the travel ban case?

Then Dahlia Lithwick speaks with one of her heroes, the Rev. William Barber, about how progressives ceded the language of faith, morality,  and the Constitution—and how they are reclaiming it.

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0:00.0

Even though it's a compromise, even though it's basically a punt, it still feels like there's something kind of rotten here.

0:10.0

And that gives gay people and LGBTQ people a reason for pause.

0:15.9

We should never allow this kind of religious nationalism that's suggested if you're anti-gay,

0:22.9

anti-abortion, pro-praying the school, pro-tax cuts, pro-guns, then somehow you are advocating

0:28.9

a moral and religious position. It has to be challenged, and people of faith and deep

0:34.4

commitment have to challenge.

0:40.2

Hi, and welcome back to Amicus, Slate's podcast about the Supreme Court and the law and the rule of law in the era of Donald Trump.

0:48.2

This past week was a big, huge, wamping one in Supreme Court history with a 7-2 decision in masterpiece cake shop.

0:57.1

That is a case we've talked about a whole bunch on this show.

1:01.2

And we're going to talk about that holding in just a moment.

1:04.2

Later on in the show, we are going to talk to, this is quite exciting for me, the Reverend Dr. William Barber the second. He has

1:12.7

relaunched the poor people's campaign. He is actually a man that I have come to slightly

1:18.7

selfishly view as my own personal rabbi and possibly my own pocket Supreme Court justice.

1:24.8

And we're going to talk to him about the Constitution and poverty and morality and

1:28.2

morality and law. But right now we are going to turn to Slate's own wonderful Mark Joseph Stern to talk

1:34.6

about the big, big news from the High Court this week. Mark, welcome back to Amicus. It's always

1:39.8

great to have you. Thanks so much for having me back on. Always a pleasure. It's such a joy,

1:43.9

always to have you here. And I guess we're back on. Always a pleasure. It's such a joy always to have

1:44.4

you here. And I guess we're going to just focus on the big, big, big news of masterpiece cake shop

1:51.6

versus Colorado's Civil Rights Commission, seven to two decision. I think freaked us both out on

1:58.5

Monday because I didn't see it coming. And before we talk about it,

2:02.0

Mark, well, let's do this. Give us, give us a minute on what the, what the case was for people who,

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