Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, Hello and welcome you are listening to an upstream interview which is part of the Economics for Transition Project.

We're here today with Jesse McDougal, a farmer, author, and educator at Studio Hill in Shaftesbury, Vermont.

Studio Hill is run by Jesse and his wife, Caroline, on their family's fourth generation farm.

They practice regenerative agriculture with the goal of

providing healthy food to family and local community while improving the

land on which the food is produced. Regenerative agriculture or as it is sometimes called is the agricultural production of

carbon farming is the agricultural production of food,

fuel or fiber using methods that put more carbon into the soil or above ground biomass

than they release into the atmosphere. By focusing on pulling atmospheric carbon

down into the earth, carbon farmers all over the world are able to improve the

fertility of their land, produce more nutrient-dense forage and food, improve water retention,

restore the land lands natural cycles, improve profits, and free

their lands from the dependence on chemicals.

Jesse is also a member of the Advisory Board for Soil for Climate, a nonprofit

organization advocating for soil restoration as a climate change solution.

Welcome Jesse.

Thank you.

It's great to be here.

Can you describe a little bit more about your background and how you came to do this work?

Yeah, sure.

My background is nothing to do with this work, actually.

While I'm farming on my wife's family's farm, my wife being the fourth generation, she grew up summers here,

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