Brian Lair on WNYC with us now, David Miliband, president of the International Rescue Committee,

which advocates for and provides services to refugees and other people displaced by war

or other extreme circumstances. He is just back from Ukraine. He has now run the International

Rescue Committee for 10 years. And as some of you know, he was previously the British Foreign

Minister. So we'll talk about his observations in Ukraine, refugee sites in Poland, which he also

visited. Also got his take on the asylum-seeker surge that's top of mind in New York and other

U.S. cities right now. And on this 9-11 anniversary, people still displaced indirectly as a result

of that. David, we're always happy that you come on this show from time to time. We're better

for it. Welcome back to WNYC. And congratulations on 10 years.

Thank you so much, Brian. It's very good to be with you and very moving to hear the

remembrance of the terrible day in 2001. So an auspicious day to be talking to you. And thank

you for giving me some space. And we'll touch on some things that are in your work that are

relevant to 9-11. But I want to start with Ukraine in Poland. Feel free to take a minute or two and

tell us. What did you go there to see that you didn't already know about and what did you learn?

Yes, please. Thanks very much. I thought it was very important to make a second visit to Poland

and to Ukraine. The International Rescue Committee, as you said, it was founded by Einstein,

Albert Einstein, a refugee in New York 90 years ago. And we help people whose lives are shattered

by conflict and disaster. There are about 5 million Ukrainian refugees out of the country,

across Europe, a couple of million of them in Poland. And inside the country, there are 18 million

people in humanitarian need. That's about half the population of people inside the country.

Obviously, the most dangerous are those towards the east of the country, cities like Khacheev,

in the northeast, Dnipro, at about three o'clock on a clock face, down to Helson in the southeast,

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