Refrigerant Top off, Drop in and Retrofit - Short #140
HVAC School - For Techs, By Techs
Bryan Orr
4.9 • 1K Ratings
🗓️ 12 April 2022
⏱️ 8 minutes
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Summary
In this short podcast, Bryan explains what it means to top off, drop in, and retrofit refrigerants. He describes the differences between those three things to dispel some of the confusion they may cause.
Topping off a system means that you add refrigerant to a low existing charge to get it back up to a normal level. In some cases, people top off systems with dissimilar refrigerants (e.g., topping off R-22 systems with cheaper R-407C). Topping off a system with a dissimilar refrigerant is unacceptable, as it's against EPA guidelines and leaves you with an undefined refrigerant mixture. You're only supposed to top off a system with the same refrigerant that's already in it.
High-glide refrigerant blends can be tricky to top off when there is a leak, as one refrigerant type may leak more quickly than the other and leave you with a different chemical profile. So, you're better off recovering and starting over when you have lost a significant amount of charge to a leak.
If you want to recharge an entire system by recovering the existing charge, you would instead be using a "drop-in" refrigerant. There are no drop-in solutions for R-410A systems. However, some commercial equipment manufacturers can offer information about drop-in solutions, though they are relatively rare, especially as oil has changed over the years. When you drop in refrigerant, you don't have to change O-rings, Schrader cores, or other components. Drop-ins are NOT necessarily like-for-like when it comes to charging.
"Retrofit" is a relatively broad term that refers to any type of refrigerant change. The retrofitting practices that may have worked for A1 CFC systems to A1 HCFC systems will NOT work for A1 to A2L refrigerants. We need new installations for flammable refrigerant systems.
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| 0:00.0 | Hello, hello this is Brian. This is the HVAC school podcast. So if you were looking for the HVAC |
| 0:10.0 | podcast, well then you found the right place. If you were looking for the |
| 0:15.0 | HVAC know-it-all podcast, then that's Gary McCready's podcast, also a good one, but |
| 0:20.0 | this is the wrong one then, so go over there there but this one is a short episode and it is going to be about |
| 0:25.6 | refrigerant top off drop-in and retrofit and really I'm going to focus on the differences and what the words mean and what you need to know. |
| 0:35.0 | Obviously, when we do something like this where we're doing a short podcast, |
| 0:39.2 | we're not going to dive into the specifics of how to retrofit one specific refrigerant to another |
| 0:43.7 | specific refrigerant on a specific system that would be silly go to the |
| 0:48.0 | manufacturer and read their guidelines on that or listen to their podcast but this is |
| 0:52.2 | going to be more general than that and try to |
| 0:54.4 | clear up some confusion. Anyway before we do that let's hear from our great sponsors |
| 0:59.5 | Refrigeration Technologies at Refriger Tech.com. |
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| 1:06.0 | Also need to thank Mitsubishi Electric. |
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