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Why Is This Happening? The Chris Hayes Podcast

Reforming Sexual Justice with Alexandra Brodsky

Why Is This Happening? The Chris Hayes Podcast

MS NOW, Chris Hayes

Msnbc, The Chris Hayes Podcast, Government, Politics, Chris Hayes, Why Is This Happening?, Withpod, Versant, Ms Now, News, Society & Culture, Versant Media

4.69.1K Ratings

🗓️ 7 September 2021

⏱️ 56 minutes

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Summary

Civil rights attorney and author Alexandra Brodsky has spent her entire career focusing closely on ways institutions can best address sexual harms. Her work is the subject of “Sexual Justice: Supporting Victims, Ensuring Due Process, and Resisting the Conservative Backlash,” a book published in August 2021. She joins to talk about the importance of treating both victims and the accused fairly, the Biden administration’s response to Title IX, and what’s ahead as institutions seek to address sexual misconduct claims more equitably. Sign up for MS NOW Premium on Apple Podcasts to listen to this show and other MS podcasts without ads. You'll also get exclusive bonus content from this and other shows. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See https://pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

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0:00.0

Just a heads up that some listeners may find the content in this episode about sexual harassment, assault, and misconduct

0:06.1

Disturbing

0:07.3

There are these basic principles from our due process law that can tell us what are the tenants of fairness and that's

0:13.4

Everyone should have the right to tell their side of the story

0:16.1

The person who's accused should know exactly what they're being accused of everyone should have the chance to present

0:22.0

Evidence including witnesses the decision-makers should be impartial and then the question is you know

0:27.5

What's the context whether potential stakes what resources are available and we can build up from that basics bare bones

0:34.6

Procedure to fill in the fill in the gaps give it me

0:40.3

Hello, welcome to wise is happening with me your host Chris Hayes

0:47.3

Have you ever heard someone say what about due process?

0:50.5

You have almost certainly heard someone say about a due process

0:53.7

Sometimes this is raised in really like ridiculous and trolley ways like Donald Trump used to say it all the time

0:59.3

Which would crack me up because there's no one less process wanted to the Donald Trump

1:03.3

In in the entire universe in the history of humans on the planet no one has had less interest in process than Donald Trump

1:10.2

And there's a lot of times in which you know

1:12.7

What about due process which get raised I think often in the context of public accusations of misconduct particularly sexual misconduct sexual assault sexual harassment particularly against men

1:22.8

People say what about due process and it's hard because there's a lot of that that feels like kind of bad faith

1:30.5

Defensiveness but then beneath the bad faith defensiveness. There's actually a real question and it's a question

1:37.5

I think increasingly we have all come to confront in the sort of post me to era broadly, but also I just think

1:45.3

Generally at this moment that for a lot of reasons a lot of a lot of institutions are

1:51.3

Struggling with how to put together correct processes to essentially adjudicate wrongdoing

1:57.8

Now some wrongdoing

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