Hi, this is Christina Cauderucci from Slate. The What Next Team is taking a break this week, so they asked me to pick some of my favorite episodes to replay for you. For today, I present to you Mary Harris's conversation with Jamel Bowie on Joe Biden's political record. The episode first aired in mid-March, and I love the way Jamel reframes Biden's politics. They kind of

got buried by his association with Barack Obama, but there were three considering now that Biden's

running for president again. On to the show. Okay, so this weekend, this poll came out, and it showed Joe Biden in Iowa with 27% of the vote, which is the lead.

Bernie's like right behind him at 25%.

I have a tendency to basically roll my eyes at these kinds of polls.

Former Slatester, current New York Times opinion columnist, Jamel Bowie.

He rolls his eyes at a lot of political coverage.

It's why I like having him on the show.

At this stage, in any presidential race, we're just kind of engaging name recognition.

Everyone knows who Joe Biden is, and he is the leader. Bernie Sanders is next up in terms of who everyone knows,

then Elizabeth Warren, then Kamala Harris. It's not conclusive of anything. Lots can change in between,

you know, now and the end of the year or now when voting begins.

I guess I do feel, though, that there's like this, I don't know if I'd call it hunger or appetite, but there's this growing surge kind of feeling about Biden.

There's this feeling of he's kind of unavoidable.

I think that's true just because he's sort of, he was the

former vice president of the previous president who is, who remains a very popular Democrat.

So it's, it's only natural that there's conversation about Biden. And honestly, if you were 10

years younger, it would be, there'd be like no question at all.

Joe Biden is 76 years old.

But that's just one reason Jamel is uneasy about his candidacy.

The interesting thing about Biden, he kind of came to national prominence for the second time as Obama's vice president. And that's kind of the lens I think through which many

voters, especially younger voters, are viewing him. But he had this long career, this 30-year career

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