On this episode of Narcissist Apocalypse Q&A, everyone.

I am Brandon Chadwick, And with me today, we have Katie Gillis. How are you?

I am good. Thank you so much for having me. Well, thank you for being here. And if you want to be a guest

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there, all the instructions, and send it in the format that we ask for. And today, we are talking

to Katie Gillis, and we are going to be covering smear campaigns. And if you don't know who Katie

Gillis is, Katie is a psychotherapist, author, and consultant with a passion for working

with survivors of traumatic relationships, whether familial or romantic. And you have two books.

The first one is Invisible Bruises, How a Better Understanding of the Patterns of Domestic Violence

Can Help Survivors Navigate the legal system, and it sheds

light on the ways that the legal system can perpetuate the cycle of domestic violence.

And your most recent book, which is out today, everyone, is called It's Not High Conflict,

it's Post-Seperation Abuse. All of the links for these books will be in our show notes.

And you also have a blog on psychology today called Invisible Bruises.

You have been featured on IHeart Radio, the Dr. Wendy Wall Show Newsweek and more.

Katie Gillis, thank you so much for being here with us today.

We're going to discuss smear campaigns.

So I guess start us off with what is a smear campaign?

What does this look like?

And how does this relate to narcissistic abuse and also domestic violence?

Absolutely.

So a smear campaign in recent years, it's become, as we've becoming more aware of narcissistic abuse and what that looks like, and we're becoming more aware of how smear campaigns are used in narcissistic abuse. But previously, a smear campaign was usually thought of when you, maybe when you were watching politics or things like that.

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