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You may not be aware of it, but spiritual warfare is a very real thing and God is

the creator of marriage. Whatever he creates, the enemy wants to destroy. So your

marriage is likely under spiritual attack at some point in time. I'm John

Fuller in the studio with Aaron Smalley and Greg Smalley and they lead our

marriage team here at the ministry. Dr. Tim Mealhoff is a professor of

communication at Biola University and he and his wife Noreen have been married

for quite some time now and they share with Jim Daley about ways that they've

seen spiritual warfare occur in marriages. Tim and Noreen, welcome to focus on

the family. Thanks so much for so glad to be here. Explain why we Christians can

be kind of clueless about spiritual warfare today. What's happening in our

ability to discern? That's really what it is, a lack of discernment. I think

it has to do with what comes to mind when I say the demonic. I think most

people are like, wow, the demonic, I'm immediately thinking to the top movies on

Netflix, right? The conjuring paranormal experience where people are getting

dragged across a room. A person is levitating, speaking in guttural, Latin voices.

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