Recognizing Palestine as a State: Meaningful Farce feat. Dana El Kurd
It Could Happen Here
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🗓️ 11 September 2025
⏱️ 25 minutes
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Summary
Dana El Kurd talks about the recent declarations by France, the UK, Canada, and others to recognize Palestine as a state. She discusses what this means, how these declarations are not tied to Palestinians exercising sovereignty, and what Palestinians actually want.
Sources:
Noura Erekat and Shahd Hammouri in Jadaliyya - https://www.jadaliyya.com/Details/46838
Paul Poast in World Politics Review - https://www.worldpoliticsreview.com/palestine-state-recognition-france/
NPR report - https://www.npr.org/2025/08/01/nx-s1-5485359/france-uk-palestine-state-explainer
European Society of International Law on occupation - https://esil-sedi.eu/prolonged-occupation-or-illegal-occupant/#:~:text=The%20occupying%20power%2C%20throughout%20the,consistent%20with%20its%20trustee%20responsibilities.
Daniel Kurtzer on the Oslo Accords - https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2023/11/20/magazine/israel-gaza-oslo-accords.html
Hanan Ashrawi on the Oslo Accords - https://www.972mag.com/hanan-ashrawi-oslo-accords/
Polling of Palestinians May 2025 - https://www.pcpsr.org/sites/default/files/Poll%2095%20press%20release%206May2025%20ENGLISH.pdf
Dana El Kurd and Pablo Abufom for The Guardian - https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2025/may/08/palestinians-leader-mahmoud-abbas-president
Tanja Aalberts on sovereignty - Constructing Sovereignty between Politics and Law - 1st Edition - Tanj
Jared Kushner “Peace to Prosperity” plan - trumpwhitehouse.archives.gov/wp-content/uploads/2020/01/Peace-to-Prosperity-0120.pdf
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| 0:40.9 | Hello, everyone. get your podcasts. Callsum Media. Hello everyone and welcome say it could happen here. |
| 0:43.6 | My name is Dana Al-Kurd. |
| 0:45.2 | I'm a writer, analyst, and researcher of Palestinian and Arab politics. |
| 0:49.6 | I'm an associate professor of political science and a senior non-resident fellow at the Arab Center, Washington. |
| 0:55.8 | What a wild time in the Middle East, am I right? I mean, not to be flippant. That's putting it mildly. |
| 1:02.0 | Today, before I recorded, Israel bombed the capital of Qatar, Doha, in an assassination attempt against Hamas leadership. |
| 1:09.0 | They bombed in a residential area in the middle of the |
| 1:11.7 | city, surrounded by nurseries, schools, businesses, and, you know, people. I have a lot to say about |
| 1:18.8 | Arab-Israeli relations historically and what's happening on that front today. And the sometimes |
| 1:23.7 | shared interests of Arab regimes with the Israeli state. So stay tuned for a deep dive |
| 1:27.7 | episode on that topic soon. Today I want to talk about the issue of Palestinian statehood. |
| 1:33.2 | It's been in the news quite a bit these days. A number of different countries have expressed |
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