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It Could Happen Here

ICE Partners with Israeli Phone Hacking Spyware

It Could Happen Here

Cool Zone Media and iHeartPodcasts

News, Society & Culture, Daily News, Politics

4.06.5K Ratings

🗓️ 10 September 2025

⏱️ 36 minutes

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0:00.0

This is an IHeart podcast.

0:06.1

QuarZone Media.

0:10.4

Welcome to It Could Happen here, a show about things falling apart.

0:14.7

One such thing, frequently falling apart, is any notion of privacy or digital privacy. Ever encroaching surveillance is one of the

0:24.5

biggest global issues affecting free expression and a free press, both directly through surveillance

0:29.9

technology, but also by chilling speech. I'm Garrison Davis, and this past week, news has swept

0:37.2

the internet that ICE is using

0:39.6

software from an Israeli company called Paragon, which allows ICE, or DHS, to secretly hack into

0:47.0

any smartphone, break encryption, access messages, track real-time location, and turn your

0:53.6

iPhone or Android into a walking

0:56.1

listening device. All of which sounds very scary, and some of which is true. Though, some of

1:04.1

these claims are exaggerated or even likely false based on what we can currently infer from

1:10.2

published research.

1:12.2

Due to legitimate fears, we live in a world of surveillance paranoia, which can lead to

1:18.4

surveillance myths. This is a core function of the panopticon. People should take ICE's

1:25.2

new enhanced smartphone surveillance capacity seriously, but to adequately

1:29.9

do so requires an accurate understanding of the threat model, which we will get into later

1:36.2

this episode with some help from the Electronic Frontier Foundation.

1:41.7

But first, let's address the newsworthy aspect of this story, what has actually

1:46.5

changed recently. DHS first contracted with the U.S. branch of Paragon in September of 2024

1:53.9

for $2 million. But later that October, the contract was put on hold, thanks to a Biden executive order

2:01.5

restricting government use of foreign spyware.

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