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Hi, I'm Cara Swisher, Editor-at-large of Recode. You may know me as a mightily morbid media mogul, but in my spare time I talk tech and you're listening to Recode decode from the VOX Media Podcast Network.

Today in the red chair is Hans Up Burgwall, the founder of WeCroak, which is my favorite app that I absolutely love and I talk about all the time and I post pictures of it.

Every day the app sends you five invitations to stop and think about death. The app is inspired by the boutonise folks saying to be a happy person one must contemplate death five times daily.

One of the things that makes us most unhappy is we tend to get caught up in things that don't matter. We tend to get caught up in an angry voice or in minutia or in stress.

There are tons of things that ultimately aren't that important to us and when we remember or mortality we can take a deep breath and just go, oh, I don't have to think about this. I don't have to engage. I don't have time for this.

Burgwall says he used to struggle with tech addiction. He and his co-founder intentionally designed it to have no advertising and no social media hooks.

We were looking for something to basically bring us back to ourselves. We resisted every other baller whistle we could possibly add and got emails by the way from people saying like you're doing it wrong.

You could 10x your amount of down those if you would just like have a button to like link it to Facebook and Twitter. We were just like okay but we're not going to do it.

We'll also talk about the problems with how most people think about their mortality and the way Silicon Valley is trying to cheat death by hacking it.

Hansa, welcome to Reco decode.

Thank you so much and actually co-founder of Reco Pro-Ki in Thomas's out on the west coast.

Okay, cool. So give your background. I want to know how you got to this. It is my favorite app. It is I talk about it all the time and I post the quotes are fantastic.

I want to sort of get a sense of the entire business because there's been a lot of like interesting mortality stuff going around Silicon Valley these days.

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