Recode Decode: Journalist Julia Angwin

Decoder with Nilay Patel

Vox Media Podcast Network

Technology, Business

4.3 • 3.2K Ratings

🗓️ 26 April 2019

⏱️ 46 minutes

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Julia Angwin, the former editor-in-chief of The Markup, talks with Recode's Kara Swisher in this live podcast recorded in Washington, DC. In this episode: How Angwin got into journalism; why weren’t people always angry about tech privacy?; ProPublica’s investigations into tech companies; the "ungovernable" tech giants; leaving ProPublica to co-found The Markup; Angwin’s co-founders, Jeff Larson and Sue Gardner; what the hell happened?; what part of it was Angwin’s fault?; the difference between being skeptical and negative; Larson’s Medium post and Craig Newmark’s reaction; is it easier to raise money for advocacy news?; media literacy for young people; "scientific journalism"; and what Angwin will do next. This special episode of Recode Decode with Kara Swisher was taped in front of a live audience at The LINE DC to celebrate Vox’s fifth anniversary. If you enjoyed it, we think you’ll also enjoy this live taping of The Weeds, and this special episode of The Ezra Klein Show featuring Vox’s co-founders Ezra Klein, Matt Yglesias, and Vox Media’s Publisher Melissa Bell. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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0:00.0	Support for this show comes from Into the Mix, a Ben and Jerry's podcast about joy and justice produced with Fox Creative.
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1:09.0	Hi, I'm Cara Swisher, Editor-at-large Recode.
1:12.0	You may know me as the Maria Curie of Tech Journalism, getting close to this stuff will probably kill me,
1:17.0	but in my spare time I talk tech and you're listening to Recode Decode from the Vox Media Podcast Network.
1:22.0	Today we're going to play a live interview I just did with investigative journalist Julia Anguin,
1:26.0	who until very recently was the editor-in-chief of The Markup.
1:30.0	We talked about why she was fired on Monday by her co-founders Jeff Larson and Sue Gardner.
1:35.0	She took me aside in January with Jeff, two of them, and they said,
1:40.0	you're not suited to be editor-in-chief.
1:43.0	And the reasons were things like, you don't like meetings.
1:47.0	Yeah.
1:48.0	That's true.
1:50.0	But I did go to all of them.
1:52.0	We'll also talk about Anguin's history of investigating tech companies like Facebook at the Wall Street Journal and ProPublica.
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