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Hi, I'm Cara Swisher, Editor at Large of RECO.

You may know me as the Jack Linda Hamilton doppelganger in the next Terminator movie,

but in my spare time I talk tech and you're listening to RECO decode from the Vox Media Podcast Network.

Thank you to listeners, Chief Frick Goldberg for suggesting that intro, by the way.

If you have a suggestion for a silly job title for me, you can tweet it to me or my producer, Eric Johnson.

I'm at Cara Swisher and he's at hey hey ESJ.

Today we're going to play an interview that originally aired on the Eater Upsell,

which is another excellent show on the Vox Media Podcast Network.

The co-host of that show Dan Janine is here on the phone from New York.

Dan, who did you interview?

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