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The day in the red chair is Orkut, Bia Cookden.

He's the founder of the social networking app Hello, which lets users find each other based

on their passions and hobbies.

Previously, he co-founded a social network named after him, Orkut, which was one of the first,

and it's when I met him back in 2002 when he was at Google.

He left Google in March of 2014, and his first social network was shut down later that year.

Now we're going to talk about what's next, Orkut, welcome to Recode Decode.

Thanks for having me.

It's great to see you.

I'm super excited to be here with you.

Yeah, so we met each other so long ago.

It was, let's think, it's almost 12 years ago or more.

When you were at the sort of cusp of social networking, like right at the beginning, talk

a little bit about your backgrounds of people, how you got to Google and what you were doing

there with Orkut.

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