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Hi, I'm Cara Swisher, the editor at Large of Reco.

You may know me as someone who thinks there should be a TV show about child inventors trying to get funded by venture capitalists called Baby Shark Tank,

but in my spare time, I talk tech and you're listening to Reco Decode from the Vox Media Podcast Network.

Today we're going to play two live interviews I recently conducted in Las Vegas.

First, you'll hear my interview with investors Mark Cuban and Steve Case about a wide range of topics, including finding talent,

that is not in Silicon Valley. And later in the show we'll play my interview with Scooter Braun, a well-known manager and talent agent who represents celebrities like Ariana Grande, Kanye West, and Demi Lovato.

These interviews were recorded in front of a live audience at the Skybridge Alternatives Conference in Las Vegas, also known as Salt.

So let's go there now to hear these interviews starting with Mark Cuban and Steve Case.

So we're going to bring another chair out and we're going to bring out two people that I have met when they didn't have any money, which was a nicer time.

They were much nicer, but they are nice guys. And we're going to talk a little bit about where we're also going in innovation.

Anyway, so coming out right now, Mark Cuban, who wants to be known as an entrepreneur, who fucks up a lot of the time, and Steve Case, come on out.

Hi guys. Good to see you again.

What up, Cara? How you doing? I'm great. Good. So this is technology entrepreneur. I'm reading the headline here. Technology Entrepreneurship as a force for social progress.

You guys met how long ago? We all met 20 years ago. Over 20 years ago. So Steve backstage was telling me a story when you were trying to buy his company, right?

Well, he was trying to sell his company. We didn't consider buying it. He ended up selling it at the YAHU for $6 billion. And we thought that was a little high. Of course, we were not one of them.

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