Recode Decode: Frances Frei

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Vox Media Podcast Network

Business, Technology

4.2 • 3.4K Ratings

🗓️ 3 June 2020

⏱️ 47 minutes

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Harvard Business School professor Frances Frei talks with Recode's Kara Swisher about the new book she wrote with her wife Anne Morriss, Unleashed: The Unapologetic Leader's Guide to Empowering Everyone Around You. Frei — who has previously worked with Uber, WeWork, and Riot Games to address culture crises — discusses what good leadership today looks like, the unfair treatment of women and people of color in business, and why it's a mistake to chase "balance" or "equal treatment." She also reflects on her work with Uber and WeWork, calling the former a "terrific success," and explains the key difference between Uber's former CEO Travis Kalanick and WeWork's former chief Adam Neumann. Plus: Why Amazon's market dominance is threatened by its poor treatment of workers. Featuring: Frances Frei, co-author, Unleashed: The Unapologetic Leader's Guide to Empowering Everyone Around You Host: Kara Swisher (@karaswisher), Recode co-founder and editor-at-large More to explore: On Reset, Arielle Duhaime-Ross explores why — and how — tech is changing everything. On Recode Media, Peter Kafka interviews business titans, journalists, comedians and podcasters about the collision of tech and media. On Pivot, Kara Swisher and Scott Galloway talk about the big tech news stories of the week, who's winning, who's failing, and what comes next. And on Land of the Giants, Jason Del Rey chronicled the rise of Amazon. Season 2 will focus on Netflix and is coming soon! About Recode by Vox: Recode by Vox helps you understand how tech is changing the world — and changing us. Follow Us: Newsletter: Recode Daily Twitter: @Recode and @voxdotcom Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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0:00.0	I'm Gideon Litchfield, I'm the editor-in-chief of Oired.
0:02.6	And I'm Lauren Good, I'm a senior writer at Wired.
0:05.2	We're making a new show.
0:06.5	Have a nice future.
0:09.0	I'm more have a nice future, question mark.
0:12.5	It's a show that is honest about how unsettling the future can be.
0:16.9	We're going to be bringing on the people shaping this future.
0:20.6	We're going to ask them about the big challenges we face, about the challenges they're creating,
0:24.9	and how they deal with living in perpetual uncertainty as we all do.
0:29.2	So make sure you follow Have a Nice Future wherever you get your podcasts.
0:36.0	Hi, I'm Kara Swisher, editor-at-large of RICO.
0:38.5	You may know me as a pretty good leader until you compare me with Travis Kalenick,
0:42.0	and then I'm Abraham Lincoln.
0:43.5	But in my spare time, I'm just a reporter and you're listening to RICO DECO
0:47.1	to podcast about power change of the people you need to know.
0:50.0	We're part of the Box Media Podcast Network.
0:52.6	Today in the Red Chair is Francis Fry, a professor of technology and operations
0:57.0	management at the Harvard Business School.
0:59.3	She's been on the show before, very bravely, back in 2017.
1:03.4	After she joined Uber to try to fix its culture, Francis has sent a work with Riot Games,
1:08.2	and we work and is the author of a new book with her wife Ann Morris.
1:12.2	It's called Unleashed, the Unapologetic Leaders Guide to Empowering Everyone Around You.
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