Recode Decode: Former Secretary of Defense Ash Carter

Decoder with Nilay Patel

Vox Media Podcast Network

Technology, Business

4.3 • 3.2K Ratings

🗓️ 13 May 2019

⏱️ 78 minutes

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Summary

In this live conversation recorded at Harvard University's Kennedy School of Government, Recode's Kara Swisher talks with Ash Carter, the former Secretary of Defense under President Obama who now runs the Belfer Center for Science and International Affairs. In this episode: Government regulation vs. self-regulation in tech; CDA Section 230; privacy laws and the potential for new regulations around the world; antitrust action that doesn't require a breakup; does regulation ruin innovation?; Mark Zuckerberg's plea for regulation; the problems with automated algorithms; AI ethics in lethal warfare and beyond; can we keep AI in check with norms?; tech workers who don't want their companies partnering with the Defense Department; China's AI and surveillance habits; what Carter worries about in tech; Edward Snowden; encryption and the US intelligence agencies; is Congress savvy enough to regulate?; are the tech giants ready for attempt meddling in the 2020 elections?; what tech has done to journalism; and what will actually get Big Tech to change? Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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0:00.0	Sabotage, hired goons and a landfill in Utah.
0:05.0	How Steve Jobs' revolutionary catastrophe of a computer, the Apple Lisa, earned a brief
0:10.7	second life and then was buried for good.
0:14.8	Watch the Verges documentary, Lisa's final act, now on YouTube.
0:19.8	Hi, I'm Cara Swisher, Editor-large of Recode.
0:25.3	You may know me as a Secretary of Offense, but in my spare time I talk tech and you're
0:29.0	listening to Recode Decode from the Vox Media Podcast Network.
0:32.3	Today, we're going to play a live conversation.
0:34.1	I had recently with Ash Carter, the former Secretary of Defense under President Barack Obama.
0:39.1	We spoke about the regulation of tech, the relationship between Silicon Valley and the defense
0:43.0	industry, and the implications of emerging technologies like AI.
0:47.2	The last time I interviewed Ash Carter, he was Secretary of Defense.
0:51.3	This interview was recorded at Harvard University's John F. Kennedy School of Government, or
0:55.3	Ash Works.
0:56.5	So let's go there now to hear my conversation with former Secretary of Defense, Ash Carter.
1:01.1	I dared Ash to hug the flag, but don't tell me.
1:11.3	Don't tell me.
1:12.3	Don't tell me, Cara.
1:14.3	Listen, everyone, welcome.
1:16.3	Thank you for being here tonight.
1:17.8	I'm very, very pleased to have tonight as our guest and my guest here in the forum.
1:25.9	Cara Swisher, the editor at large of Recode, the host of the Recode Decode and Pivot
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